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RECORD OF INTERVIEW WITH JAL FIRST OFFICER On January 5, 1987, Inspector Peter E. Beckner, AAL=207, and Japanese Interpertor Sayoko Mimoto, FAA Airways Facilities, interviewed JAL First Officer Takanori Tamefuji at the Federal Building, Anchorage, Alaska. The interview was conducted for the purpose of gathering first-hand witness testimony with regard to a sighting on November 17, 1986, by First Officer Tamefuji of an unidentified flying object. The following is a record of the interview: P. P. Beckner Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefuji Beckn…

T. Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji P.Beckner T. P. T. P. T. P. T. P. T. P. Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner « « e and ah, the object was in left-hand side... Okay. cee and very dark vision, so... Okay. « « » So I couldn't see, but ah at first ah, humm, (unintelligible) what can I write... Just kinda picture in your mind what you saw... Humm. . . + « » and then put that on paper, and I'm going to shut the door here. Humm, it was ah, left right clock head…

T. P. Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner T. Tamefuji P. T. P. Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji No! No! « « » Would you say there was a multitude of lights? Ah, (unintelligible) just I want to describe just ah, light, only light... Okay Yeah, so if ah, there was something flying, but ah, I couldn't see at that time. Okay, ah was there, was there clear night? Yes . 2. Okay - « » clear. And you could distinguish this lights as being different from the star .. .? NNNooo .. e - …

Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Right « « e SO maybe he couldn't see at that time, but the Captain and me (unintelligible) have ah, had traffic inside... Visually saw... Yes Okay (unintelligible) I saw there was two small aircraft. Okay And two small aircraft (unintelligible) That's what you saw? Yes Okay And ah, and ah, I ask Captain ah, we should ask ATC so ah, I Air Traffic . .. Okay « « »- So aS I thought, ah, very same …

P. T. P.- T. P. T. P. T. P. Tamefuji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefuji Mimoto Beckner Mimoto Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefu ji e « « left-hand and ah, ten or eleven... Ten or eleven? Right Okay And I thought that it was low... Okay And, (unintelligible) I thought ah, traffic way, I image aircraft ah, lighting, navigation lights ... Right « « e and landing lights... Okay (unintelligible) = light Right . » » but ah, it is my (unintelligible) for now I thought it was an aircra…

Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefu ji Mimoto Beckne Mimoto Beckner Mimoto Beckner Tamefuji Mimoto Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefuji Okay But so it was so luminous, I don't mean luminous ah, it was too much forever. Right, okay. How 'bout the colors of the lights? Is that also... Humm, might Captain, maybe for different thing and Mr. Fukuda, maybe different thing, but ah, ah I Say it was the aircraft so I thought but actually I think... Okay - « - I think ah, salmon, just like Christmas assorted ... Okay, okay assorted. + « « and ah, I remember…

Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefu ji Mimoto Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Mimoto Tamefuji Mimoto Beckner Tamefu ji Mimoto Beckner Mimoto Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefu ji Mimoto Okay . .. Does = I ~ I did not meet the Captain so I don't know, but does he wear glasses? Humm, no No, do you wear glasses, sir? Humm, « » e For flying. Oh, I use, but ah, at that time I don't wear, but ah, I how should I say... but Ido useit... He usually wears glasses but at that time he was not wearing glasses ... No, I don not mean it. I normally do not wear glasses. Okay The licensin…

Beckner Tamefu ji Mimoto Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefu ji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Beckner Tamefuji Mimoto Tamefuji Beckner Okay » « « and I use ah, humm... . how should I say? I will not = I do not need to wear glasses in daily life. Okay, okay. Now = the time of the incident, when - when you guys first saw the objects, ah what were the lighting conditions outside? Was it dark... Hum » « ». or was it dusk? Or was the sun still up er, how would you describe .. .? Just after sunset... Just after sunset. (unintelligib…