HHRG-118-GO06-Transcript-20230726.pdf

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UNIDENTIFIED ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA: 
IMPLICATIONS ON NATIONAL SECURITY, 
PUBLIC SAFETY, AND GOVERNMENT 
TRANSPARENCY 
HEARING 
BEFORE THE 
SUBCOMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, 
THE BORDER, AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS 
OF THE 
COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT 
AND ACCOUNTABILITY 
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 
ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS 
FIRST SESSION 
JULY 26, 2023 
Serial No. 118–53 
Printed for the use of the Committee on Oversight and Accountability 
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COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY 
JAMES COMER, Kentucky, Chairman 
JIM JORDAN, Ohio 
MIKE TURNER, Ohio 
PAUL GOSAR, Arizona 
VIRGINIA FOXX, North Carolina 
GLENN GROTHMAN, Wisconsin 
GARY PALMER, Alabama 
CLAY HIGGINS, Louisiana 
PETE SESSIONS, Texas 
ANDY BIGGS, Arizona 
NANCY MACE, South Carolina 
JAKE LATURNER, Kansas 
PAT FALLON, Texas 
BYRON DONALDS, Florida 
KELLY ARMSTRONG, North Dakota 
SCOTT PERRY, Pennsylvania 
WILLIAM TIMMONS, South Carolina 
TIM BURCHETT, Tennessee 
MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, Georgia 
LISA MCCLAIN, Michigan 
LAUREN BOEBERT, Colorado 
RUSSELL FRY, South …

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Hearing held on July 26, 2023 ...............................................................................
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WITNESSES 
Mr. Ryan Graves, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Aerospace 
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................
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Mr. David Grusch, Former National Reconnaissance Office Representative, 
Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, Department of Defense 
Oral Statement ......................................................................................................…

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UNIDENTIFIED ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA: 
IMPLICATIONS ON NATIONAL SECURITY, 
PUBLIC SAFETY, AND GOVERNMENT 
TRANSPARENCY 
Wednesday, July 26, 2023 
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 
COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY 
SUBCOMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, 
THE BORDER, AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS 
Washington, D.C. 
The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:06 a.m., in 
room 2154, Rayburn Office Building, Hon. Glenn Grothman, 
[Chairman of the Subcommittee] presiding. 
Present: Representatives Grothman, Gosar, Foxx, Sessions, 
Biggs, Mace, LaTurner, Armstrong, Perry, Garcia, Moskowitz, and 
Frost. 
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Curiosity and speculation from all walks of life have generated 
interest in studying what UAPs are and what threats they may 
pose. I will say that when I was younger in school I read a book— 
a 1966 book called ‘‘Flying Saucers Serious Business’’ and for a 
while when I was a little bit younger, I thought it was the most 
important issue out there. 
The lack of transparency regarding UAPs, which was one of the 
themes of that book—in any event, it has led to interest in study-
ing what UAPs are and what threats they pose. 
The lack of transparency regarding UAPs has fueled wild specu-
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to UAPs. I thank of you for your presence here today and for your 
dedication to safeguarding the interests of the American people. I 
look forward to your testimony. 
Now I am going to turn it over for two and a half or 3 minutes 
to Representative Burchett from Tennessee. 
Mr. BURCHETT. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you all for 
being here. I want to thank everybody for making this happen 
today and I want to remind everybody this is a nonpartisan issue. 
This has nothing to do with party politics. I think the cover up goes 
a lot deeper than that. 
I also want to thank my colleagues, Re…

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Mr. BURCHETT. Just kidding. These folks, they have got nothing 
to gain from this and I think you are going to find out that they 
have endured quite a few slings and arrows. We need to remember 
them in our prayers and their families, and I am thankful to them 
for their honest testimoneys. 
They have done interviews and appeared in documentaries like 
‘‘Accidental Truth’’ to get their stories out there and now they are 
all here to testify under oath for Congress. It has been so difficult 
to get here today. 
I have said, you know, in the Baptist Church we would say that 
the devil is in …