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RECORD OF INTERVIEW WITH JAL CAPTAIN ee EN Richard Gordon, Manager, FSDO-63 Kenju Terauchi, Captain, JAL Frank Fujii, Interpretor, JAL Sayoko Mimoto, FAA Airways Facilities Mr. Shinbashi, Station Manager On January 2, 1987, Inspector Richard 0. Gordon, FSD0-63, and Japanese Interpertor Sayoko Mimoto, FAA Airways Facilities, interviewed JAL Captain Kenju Terauchi at JAL Operations, Anchorage, Alaska. The interview was conducted for the purpose of gathering first-hand witness testimony with regard to a sighting on November 17, 1986, by Captain Terauchi and his crew of an unidentified flying obje…

Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Fujii Gordon Terauchi Fujii Gordon Terauchi Fujii Terauchi Gordon Fujii Terauchi Gordon Gordon Terauchi Gordon Fujii No, no, no. . . um, ah I saw, un, mothership. Taipai, Kushung, Formosa, south of Formosa. Around, near Formosa. Yeah ah no This Tiapai mainland China Uh uh And Taipai, Kushung is here, so ah this cargo flight ah I took off ah 2 am midnight, after midnight, after takeoff. When we start climb we saw left-hand side big mothership, but ah... it was so wierd, I ignored it (did not look). Cause he wasn't feeling well... No I can understand that, but that was t…

R. K. Gordon Terauchi Fujii Terauchi Fujii Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Fujii Gordon Terauchi Fujii Gordon Gordon Terauchi & F. Fujii First time for the other crew members, okay that's fine. I think it was the first time. Who was the first person who saw it? It was me. I saw it in - inside. What did you notice at first? During first time we saw light, I think a navigation light. Ah ha, but you saw it visually first you didn't pick it up on radar or anything you just saw some light out there, okay and that really coinsides with the air traffic statement, you called and said d…

« Gordon Terauchi Gordon Fujii Gordon Fujii Gordon Terauchi Gordon . Terauchi Fujii Gordon Fujii Terauchi Okay, yes But this one is nozzle direction (Japanese)(garbled) we couldn't see this light this direction we could see big flame Maybe we're saying then if you're looking at the back of it and then when it turns sideways this doesn't show. Okay I understand. From the forward you could see the flame and the exhaust and flame were surrounding it. Okay So maybe ah, I - I think ah, um exhaust started (garbled) Being okay these things here, maybe being each one of these things here, so these wer…

Gordon Terauchi Gordon Fujii Gordon Terauchi Gordon Fujii Gordon Terauchi Gordon Mimoto Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Same distance apart . .. Now do you think that was just the mothership and then these little things were... But, yes, that right I mean they were moving along, at that time where were these lights, captain? (Japanese) disappear Okay, okay Then we find this light, so I think this one is light, but I think now this is engine, so ah, same type of engine, the same logic . . . the same type of engine. This one and this one, the same logic, this poin…

Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Fujii Gordon Terauchi Gordon Fujii Terauchi Terauchi Fujii Gordon Fujii Gordon Terauchi Ano, seven, seven or eight miles. Okay seven or eight miles, that's what they were saying on the radar. Yeah, this later, so we saw about seven or eight miles... Okay And, 60 degrees left... Okay So out in here small ship is disappear. Okay, I understand, now lets (unintelligible) what else, see if I forget anything, visual was a first, what, you showed me exactly what you saw. Visually sighting, you saw it first uh? First Okay …

Gordon Terauchi Gordon Fujii Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Fujii Terauchi Fujii Gordon Terauchi Digital color? Yes colored, digital... Okay, fine, yeah, that's all we need! I don't need to know numbers. Ah did the target appear on the radar as unusual or, or solid target or intermitt... Was it clear? Clearly, clearly... Very clearly But, ah, ah, strong, ah return signal is strong in case of a storm, show ah red, and next yellow. Okay The, but weak is green... Right. So ah is green light. It showed green... Green Okay, yea…

Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Fujii Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Fujii Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Gordon Fifteen minutes after you visually contacted it, okay, okay. Yeah, fifteen minutes ... when ah... See, it just says did you paint anything that's did you see anything else on the radar, weather or anything else... No, no, nothing. Just that target... Yeah, yes, yes. Okay, okay .. . The only thing we saw on the radar then was that target How about the aircraft, any turbulence? No, ah, no No, no turbulence, no turbulenc…